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New Bern 20. Janua. 1757.

My Lords,

I wrote fully to you upon the Breaking up of the Assembly in October by a packett Boat from the West Indies, which had been dismasted in the Gulph, and put into Virginia to refit, which I hope got safe to England, to which I refer being a full Answer to all your last Instructions. 

This conveys to Your Lordships the attested Copies of all the Acts of Assembly of last Session here with the Journals of the upper House and of the lower House and Minutes of the Council. 

I have also sent you the Numbers of white Souls upon the 12 great Tracts granted to Messrs. Huey and Wilcocks and their Associates being the best Return I cou'd get, and which I believe is very near the Truth, the last four Numbers and part of the seventh are on Lord Granville's Lands; those Numbers on the King's Lands particularly the first six Numbers are so near the Latitude of 35° that they will not takeout Grants from this province being all in Rebellion, and will pay of late no quit Rents under pretence that the Lands belong to South Carolina, upon Account of that provinces claiming all the Lands West of the North West Branch of Cape Fear River if 30 Miles distant from it; so that they sit upon it without Rights or Titles to it; This is the Case of Mr. Selwyn and my Case, as we are seated next the Line; However I hope this Line will be soon fixed, as Governor Lyttelton informs me he will immediately send over the Opinion of their Council upon the Boundary they wou'd chuse to be compared with what I sent to your Lordships, that you might advise his Majesty how to have it fixed. 

I wrote fully to your Lordships about repealing the processioning Law, which if not soon repealed will give the planters an Opportunity of fixing their Titles upon fraudulent Grants, where they are possessed of much more than they have a Right to by patent, and laid before Your Lordships some Regulation proper for your Consideration to have his Majesties Instructions to the Council here to regulate their Proceedings accordingly to which I refer. 

I have in this sent you two Cases to be laid before your Council for his Opinion upon them, and hope when the Right is determined You will send me his Majesty's Instruction to oblige the Council here to determine according to them in the Court of Claims with a power to suspend such who shall act contrary to those Instructions; for they seldom act uniformly and some may be concerned or connected with others who have such Grants and determine accordinglyIf the Right be in the Crown I am humbly of Opinion that the Discoverer shou'd have the preference of the patentee, or shou'd have a suitable Recompence from him for making the Discovery, otherwise no Discoveries will be made, there being such Connexions and Combinations to protect each other that very few can be got to inform or take out Warrants of Resurvey especially when it is decided in the Court of Claims that the Patentee shall have the Preference and select the best of the Lands leaving the Refuse to the Discoverer, so that the Discoverer has only his Labour for his Pains, and the Odium of being an Informer. 

In the Case laid before you, I have been obliged to be the Discoverer, as it is in my Neighbourhood, and have declared that I will assign my Right to another in Case his Majesty's Instructions shall be to give the Discoverer the Preference, for which Reason they are not pleased that I shou'd look into their frauds, although they know I am a Trustee to preserve his Majesties Rights; If I found this to be a singular Case I wou'd not have stirred in it, but I apprehend it has been generally so in the Province, and all the old Patentees will combine together; and in Case of a Tryal at Law may procure Verdicts and Judgments against the CrownIf such shou'd be notorious and evidently contrary to Law, wou'd it not be proper where his Majestys Right is in Dispute that there might be an Appeal to the Council in England under proper Regulations, which might prevent many iniquitous Verdicts in the Courts here; it may be also proper where no Discoveries have yet been made, that a time shou'd be allowed by Proclamation or publick Advertisement, that whoever shou'd take out Warrants to resurvey their own Lands shou'd have the Preference to the new Patents for the Surplus Lands, if done in a limited Time, and then they cou'd have no Reason to say they were Ignorant and not Judges of the Quantity they held, and when the Surplus is granted to the Discoverer the Patentee shou'd have that Side of his Land upon which his Improvements are made. 

There is also another fraud and point necessary to be settledOn most Rivers Creeks and Branches there are great Quantities of low marshy Ground, and are a continued Thickett of Trees and Shrubbs and high Reeds, as are all what they call dismal Swamps, sometimes of great Extent, which are very expensive to improve, but when once reclaimed will be the most valuable Lands in the province, when Warrants have been granted upon these Rivers and Creeks, the Surveyors have made it a Rule upon Account of the Difficulty they found in surveying through these Swampy Thicketts never to survey them, but throw them as trifling into the Survey, surveying only the high Grounds, and begin their Survey at a Tree on the high Ground altho' half a Mile from the River or Creek, and if they shou'd survey the 3 Sides from the River, which they very seldom did, they generally marking a Corner Tree and then lay down the Courses and Distances upon their Paper to make a Return of the Quantity in the Warrant, and leave it to the patentee to mark whatever Trees he pleased of any Length or Courses he liked best at his Leisure; so that the marked Trees more seldom answer the Courses and Distances in the PatentBut if at any time the Surveyor run 3 Sides he never run the fourth, but says from thence to the first Station without closing his Survey to see whether it meets the first Station, and in Case it be upon a Creek or River he then says and then along the Creek to the first Station, altho' he has never been down at the Creek, and the Winding upon the Creek be so far beyond the last straight Line to the first Station as to contain perhaps hundreds of Acres all which is lumped in the Survey, and pass for nothingIn Case these low Swamps don't extend above 20 or 30 poles below the high Grounds, I think they might be thrown into the Survey as insignificant, but when it exceeds perhaps hundreds of Acres, there shou'd be some Limitation, and the Remainder be esteemed Surplus Lands to be new granted & charged with Quit Rents, for no other Person can build or improve on a Marsh without having some dry Ground to build upon. 

Mr. Glenn having buoy'd up the Catauba Indians, whom I found to be about 300 Warriors and are computed at about 700 Souls in the whole, that he wou'd grant to them and have it confirmed by the Crown a Circle of 30 Miles round their Towns, within which Radius no White Man shou'd settle, and Governor Lyttelton having acquainted me that the Catauba King Haglar had complained to him that the English were settling within their Bounds, it will be proper when the Boundary is fixed to consider how much Land to allow to them in proportion to their Numbers, as we are now building a fort in the midst of their Towns at their own Request, we can the better fix their Lands, I find that when the Tuskerora's Lands were fixed, who were then more numerous than the Cataubas are now, that they were content with a tract less than ten Miles Radius round their TownsI find that in a Circle of ten Miles Radius is contained 200960 Acres, and in a Circle for 30 Miles Radius it contains 1,808,640 Acres, the least Tract divided among 700 Souls wou'd be 287 Acres to each person, and in the larger Circle 9 times as much above 2500 Acres to each Person; in whatever way his Majesty is pleas'd to determine it, I humbly think it ought to be done by a publick Treaty with them to please them, by both the Colonies, in which the several Lands may lie, and in Case they shou'd make any large Demand, that then the several Governments may be empowered to purchase from them by their free Consent whatever may exceed a sufficient Competency for their Numbers to be paid out of his Majesties Quit Rents, as the Crown will be reimbursed by the Quit Rents, at the same time allowing them to hunt on the English adjoining Lands equally as the English Subjects, which may be purchased for a small Sum in Goods which they shou'd choose, and whatever they have granted to them shou'd not afterwards be purchased from them, although their Numbers shou'd greatly diminish, by any private person or planter, but shou'd only be purchased by Agreement from the Crown, and then they wou'd not be defrauded out of their remaining Lands. 

These are the only things necessary at present to communicate to your Lordships, besides what I mentioned in my former Packetts.

I am with great Respect

 My Lords

 Your Lordships

most obedient and

most humble Servant

[Postscript:]

    Souls
In Mr. Selwyn's Tracts No. 1 and 3 about   400
To Mr. Dobbs No. 2. & 5 about   700
In Number 4 about, 4 [Saving] 50000 Acres Mr McCulloh 500
In No. 6 8 different Grants McCulloh no Interest 42
In Tract No. 7 Andrew McCulloh Jos. Wilcock 43
In Tract No. 8 }   72
In Tract No. 9 }   720
In Tract No. 10 } All but abt. 20000 Acres in No. 8 within Lord Granvilles Line 540
In Tract No. 11 }   714
In Tract No. 12 }   384
    4115

The Tracts 1. 2. 6. 7 are very much broken with steep stony and Rocky Hills, therefore not settled but in few places—

North Carolina.
Letter from Arthur Dobbs Esqr. Govr. of North Carolina, to the Board, dated, Newbern the 20th. Janry. 1757, (not Signed) transmitting Copies of all the Acts passed in the last Sessions, & Journals of the Upper & Lower House, together with Minutes of the Council.

C.125

Recd. April 22d.
Read —— 27 1757.